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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Mar 12, 2012 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dark.starz show review!

Where's the review?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 12, 2012 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dark.starz show review!

"This is an exceptional musical performance featuring new material."

"My advice is to give this show a listen and see if it brings a smile to your face "

My advice would be to go with the aud which has some interesting notes from the taper (Bob Menke) about the magic and bliss experienced in the park that afternoon.

"It was an overcast day and we got there early. About 8:30 in the morning. That is how we ended up about 10-15 feet from the stage. The mics were mounted on broom sticks (handheld) and they were split about 20 feet apart. The upfront vocals I believe are the product of a small (relative to PA speakers) speaker on the floor of the stage next to the right PA column. The vocals seem to be blasting from that speaker. Another very intersting point is the fact that the Jefferson Starship opened and their sound from the same PA absolutely sucked. Nothing approaching the clarity and sound quality the Dead got from the same system."

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1975-09-28.fob.menke-falanga.motb-0069.91770.flac24

Alternatively we could just ask William Tell. I believe he was in attendance and if you listen carefully to this aud you can hear someone yelling something about Cream and playing St. Stephen but doing so in the same way as it was performed on 6-14-68.....





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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 12, 2012 9:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dark.starz show review!

I can at least confirm Starship sucked...we all thought that in the EBay at the time (the whole "we built this city sell-out" left us gagging).

And, I never would have guessed I heard the Eleven, nor that the jam was made up of so many songs, but that's the way live experiences were for me...I never wrote them down, never made esp note of which songs I heard, though all of you are shocked to read this of course, anal retentive I be today.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 12, 2012 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dark.starz show review!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HvVYqR1cgU

I'm sorry but I must disagree. This is a work of such perfection and beauty that it would have Wolfgang Amadeus himself in tears. I sure as hell hope they include this in any time capsule being left for future generations. Don't know about you, but I would be proud to have our civilization's accomplishments represented by this piece of sonic wonder.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 12, 2012 1:30pm
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He's not the only one crying...

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 12, 2012 2:29pm
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I thought "We Built this City On Rock & Roll" came out in the 80's...they played it in 75?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 12, 2012 5:14pm
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It did come out in the 80's. Balin kantner and even frieberg were all gone by then. Not that plenty of cheese didnt get released with kantner in the band. Mickey thomas ick. Ive never heard this one but i have an old tape from central park 75 that has some pretty cool stuff. Some stuff from Balins Bodacious album and Chaquico is rippin good

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 12, 2012 9:15pm
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Yeah, I'd say it was turning by 75, and didn't really get bad til the 80s...but, I know when we saw them a few times in Winterland in 76-78 or so, they were poor imitations of the Airplane (I know others feel differently, but Pete Sears was NO Casady).

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 13, 2012 10:15am
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I know you don't like Sears but he's pretty cool on the keys with Hot Tuna and others

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 13, 2012 1:35pm
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That's right--more than one person has mentioned that...you know me, though, once I write someone off, hard to get back in my listening realm, so to speak.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 13, 2012 1:59pm
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I know. It's not like he played in Cream or anything : )

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 13, 2012 2:23pm
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well, WT is an ancient crudmudgeon ya know :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 12, 2012 9:13pm
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Sorry, my bad--didn't mean "literally" that song, just that "direction", though JOTS won't necessarily agree...it was tunes like "If only you believe in miracles" and the like that, IMHO, transitioned seemlessly into what was to come by the 80s (ie, "...built that city..").

Will agree with J, though, that the lineup in 75 beat that in the 80s...

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Mar 12, 2012 3:23pm
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For such a nice city, there sure have been a bunch of sucky songs written about it.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 12, 2012 4:12pm
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Just as long as you don't fuck with Tony Bennett!!
right BD? :)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 12, 2012 5:18pm
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I worked with a gal who argued that Journeys lights in the city was about LA. Nothing i could do could convince her otherwise

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 12, 2012 5:33pm
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"I want to get back to my city by the bay, ooh, ooh, ooh"

Couldn't you have just shown her a map?

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Mar 12, 2012 6:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dark.starz show review!

Santa Monica Bay? :)

And it wasn't city. Citaaay.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 13, 2012 1:51pm
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actually I think that was her arguement. She claimed to have saw a VH1 show. I said well maybe a couple are from LA but I know Journey was out of SF AND everybody knows SF is the city by the Bay. Period!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 13, 2012 2:44am
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I stand corrected, on the Citaaay thing. I never felt like i was in the citaay when standing on that pier. Pier 39, definitely citaay, although both have their fair share of cheese.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 13, 2012 5:14am
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LOL!!!
Such a cringe-worthy song. I heard it on the radio this morning. "Ma citaaaay ..."

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 13, 2012 5:49am
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And poor Neil Schon and Gregg Rolie. One minute they're playing for Santana, split off to form their own group with dreams of producing serious, original music and then by '77 they're backing up Senor Queso (that's "Mr. Cheese"). I guess it just goes to show that we all have a price.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Mar 13, 2012 11:32am
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"One minute they're playing for Santana, split off to form their own group with dreams of producing serious, original music..."
MY brother had the double-live "Captured" that I really liked (but then, I was still getting in cheap at the picture show at the time). It had a bunch of pix from huge concerts which were really interesting to someone who had never been to see anyone but Elvis.


"I guess it just goes to show that we all have a price. "
I'll bet just 1/2 the songs off "Escape" (any half, you pick,) made/make more than the Santana band has made in its career. If you're going to do something, then do it well...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdG3lbfP4nI

It appears that Steve Perry found a an opening for a lead singer; it also appears to be Arnel Pineda's old band.
Enjoy,
Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Mar 13, 2012 12:13pm
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Perhaps she was thinking of their lesser-known track, "City of the Angels."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKqlHJrjcxE

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Poster: Headstrung Date: Mar 12, 2012 8:55am
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One of the things that has always struck me regarding this show is how rehearsed they sound. This is a nice audience with a rich sound.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 12, 2012 9:00am
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Kind of true for the other '75 shows as well. 8-13-75 maybe the tightest GD show ever. I am not one who typically listens to studio outtakes and rehearsals, however some of the tapes available from 1975 demonstrate why these shows may have seemed so tight.

This is a fun listen:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1975-02-28.sbd.smith.93779.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Mar 12, 2012 8:58am
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Another insightful, under-the-radar recommendation! A "musical performance" you say? Interesting!

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Mar 12, 2012 8:23am
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"This is an exceptional musical performance featuring new material."

It's cafeteria-style - you get to fill in the blanks. :)

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Mar 12, 2012 3:12pm
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oops, forgot to score it!

100 Points - No words necessary

Five dark starz - *****

Pure money - $$$$$

Smiles abound - :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)


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